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Non-vegans+The Dunning-Kruger Effect

Posted by Ivanbg2003 - 13 days ago

 One of the first traits I ever noticed with non-vegans was the Dunning-Kruger effect. This is a common cognitive bias in which people think they are smarter than they really are. It’s what the philosopher Bertrand Russell was talking about when he said that one of the big problems in the modern world is that “the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.”

The simplest way to describe this effect it is that incompetent people tend to overestimate their own skill levels in a particular subject. In addition, they underestimate the knowledge of the true experts. Have you ever tried to learn a complex subject? You might have noticed that the more you learned, the more you realized that there’s so much more to it than you had previously thought. This is very common. The more you unpack a new subject, the more you find there is to know about it.

Studies have shown that the less people know about a subject, the more they overestimate their own knowledge. It’s funny because their incompetence actually blinds them to how incompetent they are. On the other hand, people who are competent, tend to underestimate their competence.

So what causes people to have the Dunning-Kruger effect? One explanation is that it’s due to a lack of self awareness. Also, people with less skill in something have a lower ability to evaluate their skill level. The Dunning-Kruger effect is often seen with non-vegans when they try to talk about nutrition. The less they know about nutrition, the more confident they will be when they tell you that you need meat to be healthy. Take a non-vegan who has never studied nutrition in his life. Put him in a room with an expert who has studied nutrition data for over 20 years. More often than not, the non-vegan will think he knows more than the expert. Not only that, but the non-vegan will display more confidence in his beliefs than the expert. Think back to the example I gave in my previous journal. The health expert patiently watched the non-vegan act like he knew what he was talking about.




Guess you had bad encounters with these people?

you could indeed say that.

Most people on the internet, myself included, are not health experts. We're not dieticians, physicists, etc, and we never claim to be experts. We can only find sources written by other people who are experts, sources that may or may not be biased and thus require some level of critical thinking to make sure they're not stretching the truth or leaving out important information.

To start with, you initially didn't cite any sources in either post, and when I asked for some, your reply linked a vegan activist's YouTube video and a pro-vegan documentary, which aren't exactly the most two-sided or credible, or at least the YouTuber's wasn't, You should be able to look as many sources as you can without needing to cherry-pick the ones that fit any specific narrative.

You try to paint non-vegans as the "overestimating idiot who doesn't know shit" and assume the "expert with 20 years of experience" is not going to dismiss a just-as-inexperienced vegan the same way.
Does this bias not also affect vegans as well? What about people who tried veganism, but later decided to switch back? Are they also incompetent and overestimate their knowledge on the subject?

Your point "eggs bad because cholesterol bad", while technically correct in many ways, is misleading.
Cholesterol is OK. You need it to produce vitamin D, produce hormones like testosterone. Yes, too much of it can lead to heart problems, but the recommended daily intake for cholesterol is 300mg, and 1 egg is about 180mg, or just over half. You should be fine with just one per day.

It's OK if you choose to go vegan or vegetarian, but most people who do choose often end up quitting for various reasons, whether it be dissatisfaction with or inability to afford 'vegan alternatives', a lack of motivation, or they just don't want to be associated with any specific group or agenda.
If you're worried about your health/cholesterol, just eat less eggs and meat in general, and just moderate your daily intake.

Your post reads exactly as how you described those overconfident non-vegans.

@Ivanbg2003 Feel for ya.Yeah there are peeps that are so bad you just cannot help but think the rest of them are exactly like that.Dont let these fools paint your perception of them though,they don´t speak for them.
I get that its not fair for them to tell you what you can and cannot eat but are you sure they just have good intentions but are too pushy about it instead of just thinking themselves better than others because of their diet?
Just to make things clear i am a 100% meat lover.Just to put my cards on the table here.